Two interesting links: There's no such thing as a 'perfect' temperature and a video: The Great Global Warming Swindle.

I'm going to be cheap and say here that this is not an endorsement against global warming. My feelings about global warming are a bit muddied...

If there's one thing I learned from my chemistry degree (as well as my economics degree), it's that science isn't as rigidly cemented as fact as I thought. Science is not absolute. There have been countless times when the prevailing scientific theory has been overthrown with some new discovery (the Bohr model for an atom as an example). On a very simple level, you can understand anything in science by simplifying its concepts and making assumptions - this is how chemistry (an incredibly complex field) is taught to college students. So, when I hear an argument starting with "Science shows..." I roll my eyes.

Economics taught me that general trends and statistics don't really mean much - you can modify any set of data to show the trend you want. Macroeconomics, in general, is a huge field where smart people try to boil down the trends of an economy into something simple so we can "benefit" from that knowledge. Look at any argument regarding supply-side economics to get understand this. The basic premise of this argument: "Cutting taxes for corporations [supply side] will actually make the economy more productive, thus providing the government with more tax revenue!" (This was a gross bastardization of what supply-side economics really is; read the wikipedia entry on supply side economics if you're really interested in it)

Whether you believe this or not, you can find loads of articles on both sides (this was Reagonomics). Of course, inherent in these arguments is the equivalent of nerds comparing the size of their manhoods: the "academic credentials." Inevitably, any scientific (or pseudo-scientific as is the case for fields like economics) theory will boil down to the credentials of the presenter... blah

My point (and I'm getting off-track here quickly) is that when I see arguments about global warming, I always see numbers of "accredited scientific organizations" support this or that position.

When I get down to trying to find scientific articles with raw data, they're always littered with huge caveats: We can only estimate temperatures for older data points. Huh? How can that be data?

Personally, I think any discussion about global warming is so pointless. Nobody has any concrete data and it always boils down into some sort of contest to prove one's intellectual superiority.

Basically, I don't worry about global warming. If it happens, it happens. That doesn't mean, however, that we should go around pissing on the environment - I think we can all strive, individually, to lower our energy on earth.

Recycle, turn off lights when you're not using them, and don't drive gas guzzlers.

And if you're wondering, my feelings on global poverty run roughly along the same lines. Throwing money and food at poverty are only futile stopgap measures.

Posted by roy on April 8, 2007 at 10:36 PM in Ramblings | 3 Comments

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Comment posted on April 9th, 2007 at 08:17 PM
IF global warming is a reality, then recycling, turning off lights and not driving gas guzzlers will not suffice. These measures would be the equivalent of throwing money and food at poverty. To solve it, we'll have to target the huge industries emitting the vast majority of the earth's pollution.

The thing is, global warming has become an emotional issue. On one side, you have people saying that there is just not enough or any concrete evidence that global warming is real, and to sacrifice the world's economy to slow down or prevent this made up situation would be the bigger mistake. On the other side, you have people showing scenarios with the best available data and science that does indeed support global warming. Some people believe it's better to be safe and take action now than to wait when it's too late. It may be that we'll never have the concrete data and science to prove global warming until it slaps us in the face.

Personally, I think taking up a side on either extreme end is a bit ignorant. Like you said, there's just not enough evidence to fully support either side and the consequences of taking up a side is too big.

So really I have no idea so I'm gonna just agree with Bert's comment about the lowest common denominator thingy. Not sure what it really means but sounds neato.
Comment posted on April 9th, 2007 at 08:20 PM
i've decide just to move my blog into your comment sections. hope you don't mind.
Comment posted on April 9th, 2007 at 05:01 PM
global warming is a funny issue.

here's my stance.
I think it's a problem, but i don't think the "statistics are significant" [yet]

I do think it's time to change some behaviors though because we DO KNOW that certain emissions are harmful to the environment. We know that littering is bad, and we know that sustainability is a good thing. And we definitely know that energy prices are too high.
What the treehuggers are doing though, is exagerrating the current claims to shock the laymen into acting a certain way, which is why your bullshit meter is going off. I think Al Gore's "Inconvenient Truth" was a great film to shock us, but how bout he tell us what to friggen do?
So what motivates people? Just look at terrorism. If the acts of violence are committed against non-Americans, the American population doesn't care. 9/11 happens, and we have outrage.

my conclusion, as always is that the crowd is only as good as it's lowest common denominator.

wow what a tangent...