February 10, 2004
Lost in Translation Sucks, Part II
I'm going to espew some more hatred for this movie. Understand that I have very very low standards for movies; I have never "not liked" a movie. Sure, there were dissappointments, and I know which movies are B-movies (and C-movies), but I've never outright hated a movie.
But this is one of those movies.
Now, everyone goes, "But Roy, it has audio/visual effects... and the feeling of the movie is so great. Sure, it has no plot, but that's ok! The movie has great technique, yes. But technique is not everything.
That's like me saying, "Sure, that song has great recording quality and uses great instruments. Sure, it has no rhythm or harmony, but that's ok!"
WRONG.
A movie requires either a story or a message. Lost in Translation is a superficial movie, no one even argues it's a deep movie. As a superficial movie, we can deduce it has absolutely no mesage. Since Lost In Translation obviously had no message (except perhaps Sofia exclaiming "I'M RICH, BIIOOTTCCCH"), we must then infer that perhaps this movie has something of a tangible plot.
BUT IT HAS NO TANGIBLE PLOT WHATSOEVER. Someone *please* enlighten me what the plot is. Anyone who says "This movie is so life-like and realistic" is also missing the point.
How do two strangers run into each other 3 times (even if they're in the same hotel?) before being properly introduced? That's not realistic. A girl sending over a drink to a strange man at a bar while her husband sits next to her is not realistic.
The two people I talked to said this movie "gripped them" and the "story drove forward." Drove FORWARD? What kind of forward is this?
A guy cares about a girl and starts hanging out and eating out with her. They go clubbing and karaoking. They go to the hospital when she shows him his toe (which is followed by inane references made to Japanese people possibly liking "black toe" while a Japanese man stares on).
This is ordinary. Perhaps so many people are so f'ing bored with their mundane lives that they find excitement in a movie that THEY MIGHT POSSIBLY BE IN ("oh, maybe I could be like Bob Harris), except for the fact that it requires CHANCE COINCIDENCE and a married woman opening up to a strange man.
God. I don't understand how anyone even thinks it's a decent movie. No really, I don't.
So now i know most of you are just itching to click the "Leave a Comment" and flame away at me. Go ahead. I'm ready for you.
Edit: I found a quote that I love and does summarize everything I want to say about the movie:
Perfectly said.
But this is one of those movies.
Now, everyone goes, "But Roy, it has audio/visual effects... and the feeling of the movie is so great. Sure, it has no plot, but that's ok! The movie has great technique, yes. But technique is not everything.
That's like me saying, "Sure, that song has great recording quality and uses great instruments. Sure, it has no rhythm or harmony, but that's ok!"
WRONG.
A movie requires either a story or a message. Lost in Translation is a superficial movie, no one even argues it's a deep movie. As a superficial movie, we can deduce it has absolutely no mesage. Since Lost In Translation obviously had no message (except perhaps Sofia exclaiming "I'M RICH, BIIOOTTCCCH"), we must then infer that perhaps this movie has something of a tangible plot.
BUT IT HAS NO TANGIBLE PLOT WHATSOEVER. Someone *please* enlighten me what the plot is. Anyone who says "This movie is so life-like and realistic" is also missing the point.
How do two strangers run into each other 3 times (even if they're in the same hotel?) before being properly introduced? That's not realistic. A girl sending over a drink to a strange man at a bar while her husband sits next to her is not realistic.
The two people I talked to said this movie "gripped them" and the "story drove forward." Drove FORWARD? What kind of forward is this?
A guy cares about a girl and starts hanging out and eating out with her. They go clubbing and karaoking. They go to the hospital when she shows him his toe (which is followed by inane references made to Japanese people possibly liking "black toe" while a Japanese man stares on).
This is ordinary. Perhaps so many people are so f'ing bored with their mundane lives that they find excitement in a movie that THEY MIGHT POSSIBLY BE IN ("oh, maybe I could be like Bob Harris), except for the fact that it requires CHANCE COINCIDENCE and a married woman opening up to a strange man.
God. I don't understand how anyone even thinks it's a decent movie. No really, I don't.
So now i know most of you are just itching to click the "Leave a Comment" and flame away at me. Go ahead. I'm ready for you.
Edit: I found a quote that I love and does summarize everything I want to say about the movie:
In both films [VIRGIN SUICIDES being the other] I feel that she has a strong sense of film texture and mood, but in both films I get the sense that she basically doesn't know what she really wants to say, or how to dig deeper into her subject than surface-level observation, and can only provide poster art imagery to conceal her uncertainty.
Perfectly said.
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nomo_crispdawg
When people go to the SAME bar every night at the SAME hotel how do you not run into each other?? Also, her husband was not sitting next to her he was on the other side of the table tending to his business and not even paying attention to her as was the case in the whole movie.
nomo_crispdawg
That's like me saying, "Sure, that song has great recording quality and uses great instruments. Sure, it has no rhythm or harmony, but that's ok!"
Who the hell was even arguing this???
roy
nomo_crispdawg
just because YOU didn't find a neatly packed message in this film doesn't mean someone else hasn't.
perhaps you were LOOKING for one and couldn't find it. but better yet, maybe coppola was not intending to GIVE a message.
but there IS a story here. allen has apparently found it. you just may have been too busy LOOKING for the message. and it sounds to me like you were, or too busy expecting something. when you watch a movie you have to simply WATCH the movie not let critical praise or expectations interfere with your viewing. that is all, thanks.
roy
roy
You say that perhaps Allen found the message, but neither you nor Allen have provided me exactly what this message is. This is exactly my point.
And then you say, "Well, maybe Coppola didn't _intend_ to have a message," which is exactly the point of why I have issues with this movie.
You're going to either have to say that people like Allen did find a message and explain to me what the message is, or you're going to have to concede that Coppola didn't have a message and that this was just a movie of pretty shots.
Just like the quote in my entry says, it seems that Coppola failed in trying to find what she was trying to say and didn't do anything beyond a surface scratch of the characters and tried to cover it up with some artsty fartsy cinematography.
But I'll wait for your response :)
nomo_crispdawg
roy, i still have to form my well-thought-out, cohesive argument
Anonymous (guest)
--chris baek
roy
I found no such message in this movie.
Allen
my b
Allen
just because they aren't filled a story for you to easily follow does not mean they are a bad movie.
plus i disagree with you, the plot is simply Murray's and Johansson's journeys, and what they find along the way. You as a viewer should be wondering what will happen to them in the end. We find out, and that's that. Obviously not INCREDIBLY COMPLICATED, but it definitely has a tangible storyline dude.
roy
This si the basis of your argument that this movie has a plot and will go along way in dissauding me from continuing to trash this movie.
tabulas
Mulholland Drive *does* have a plot. Sure, it doesn't make much sense, but there is a sense of movement (although in which direction you're not sure).
Their journies are boring, which I've made abundantly clear. Their journey was pretty much "be bored, run into each other a lot, hang out, and then kiss."
This is not a novel idea, nor is it anything to be trumpeting as a "great movie."
I am frankly dissappointed that so many people hyped it up. Its a worthless movie still :P
Allen
it happens with every movie.
roy
True, people can relate to the movie. I'm not debating that it's not an unrealistic movie (although there are some pretty chance coincidences). But a movie is not just about "relating" to the topic matter. A movie that is highly acclaimed and coming from someone who you expect some sort of thought-provoking message should do something beyond simply letting people "relate" to a movie.
Most people go through the same life cycles (finding oneself, experiencing love, losing a loved one to death), the purpose of a movie is simply not to let people relate; it's to push people to self-critique their thoughts.
Allen
roy
But we digress on this point. The debate at hand is why LiT sucks.
goDWin
tabulas