I'm going to espew some more hatred for this movie. Understand that I have very very low standards for movies; I have never "not liked" a movie. Sure, there were dissappointments, and I know which movies are B-movies (and C-movies), but I've never outright hated a movie.

But this is one of those movies.

Now, everyone goes, "But Roy, it has audio/visual effects... and the feeling of the movie is so great. Sure, it has no plot, but that's ok! The movie has great technique, yes. But technique is not everything.

That's like me saying, "Sure, that song has great recording quality and uses great instruments. Sure, it has no rhythm or harmony, but that's ok!"

WRONG.

A movie requires either a story or a message. Lost in Translation is a superficial movie, no one even argues it's a deep movie. As a superficial movie, we can deduce it has absolutely no mesage. Since Lost In Translation obviously had no message (except perhaps Sofia exclaiming "I'M RICH, BIIOOTTCCCH"), we must then infer that perhaps this movie has something of a tangible plot.

BUT IT HAS NO TANGIBLE PLOT WHATSOEVER. Someone *please* enlighten me what the plot is. Anyone who says "This movie is so life-like and realistic" is also missing the point.

How do two strangers run into each other 3 times (even if they're in the same hotel?) before being properly introduced? That's not realistic. A girl sending over a drink to a strange man at a bar while her husband sits next to her is not realistic.

The two people I talked to said this movie "gripped them" and the "story drove forward." Drove FORWARD? What kind of forward is this?

A guy cares about a girl and starts hanging out and eating out with her. They go clubbing and karaoking. They go to the hospital when she shows him his toe (which is followed by inane references made to Japanese people possibly liking "black toe" while a Japanese man stares on).

This is ordinary. Perhaps so many people are so f'ing bored with their mundane lives that they find excitement in a movie that THEY MIGHT POSSIBLY BE IN ("oh, maybe I could be like Bob Harris), except for the fact that it requires CHANCE COINCIDENCE and a married woman opening up to a strange man.

God. I don't understand how anyone even thinks it's a decent movie. No really, I don't.

So now i know most of you are just itching to click the "Leave a Comment" and flame away at me. Go ahead. I'm ready for you.

Edit: I found a quote that I love and does summarize everything I want to say about the movie:
In both films [VIRGIN SUICIDES being the other] I feel that she has a strong sense of film texture and mood, but in both films I get the sense that she basically doesn't know what she really wants to say, or how to dig deeper into her subject than surface-level observation, and can only provide poster art imagery to conceal her uncertainty.

Perfectly said.
Posted by roy on February 10, 2004 at 11:52 PM in Ramblings | 20 Comments

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Comment posted on April 21st, 2011 at 11:07 AM
your comment proves me how superficial you are.if u don`t like lost in translation it means u don`t have brain or heart enough to see it.is one of the greatest movies of all time and if u didn`t understood too well it makes me think that ur way of life is not how is supposed to be.lost in translation touches ur soul,ur emotions and put ur brain to think what would happen if the characters would stay together or what if they will meet ever again?is a movie about the connections between humans,connections that will live forever even the people split up
Comment posted on February 12th, 2004 at 03:03 AM
"How do two strangers run into each other 3 times (even if they're in the same hotel?) before being properly introduced? That's not realistic. A girl sending over a drink to a strange man at a bar while her husband sits next to her is not realistic"

When people go to the SAME bar every night at the SAME hotel how do you not run into each other?? Also, her husband was not sitting next to her he was on the other side of the table tending to his business and not even paying attention to her as was the case in the whole movie.
Comment posted on February 12th, 2004 at 02:54 AM
Now, everyone goes, "But Roy, it has audio/visual effects... and the feeling of the movie is so great. Sure, it has no plot, but that's ok! The movie has great technique, yes. But technique is not everything.

That's like me saying, "Sure, that song has great recording quality and uses great instruments. Sure, it has no rhythm or harmony, but that's ok!"

Who the hell was even arguing this???
Comment posted on February 12th, 2004 at 03:09 AM
No one. Because this is my ... journal, I am free to write whatever pops up in my mind.
Comment posted on February 11th, 2004 at 08:17 PM
roy, i still have to form my well-thought-out, cohesive argument, but you just can't go on saying this is a bad film just because you were expecting an exploitative "feel-good" love actually-type movie. i seriously feel that you let your expectations get the better of you and personally, i don't know what you were expecting. maybe if charlotte and bob could repeatedly engage in rough sex and then parade around Japan in search of a black pearl it would be more enjoyable for you. but that simply is not the reality of their situation. look at each of these characters and look at their circumstance.

just because YOU didn't find a neatly packed message in this film doesn't mean someone else hasn't.
perhaps you were LOOKING for one and couldn't find it. but better yet, maybe coppola was not intending to GIVE a message.

but there IS a story here. allen has apparently found it. you just may have been too busy LOOKING for the message. and it sounds to me like you were, or too busy expecting something. when you watch a movie you have to simply WATCH the movie not let critical praise or expectations interfere with your viewing. that is all, thanks.
Comment posted on February 11th, 2004 at 10:12 PM
I also find it offensive that you would think that I was looking for cheap sex or to follow the standard "feel-good" love story. I'm asking for a message or something requiring deep thought. This movie does not provoke any thoughts nor does it have a message. I've said this before, but there is a serious issue with a movie director if they cannot accomplish one of these two tasks.
Comment posted on February 11th, 2004 at 10:10 PM
You haven't addressed any of my criticisms; your argument is basically "Well because you didn't find a message, you cannot say that this movie sucks."

You say that perhaps Allen found the message, but neither you nor Allen have provided me exactly what this message is. This is exactly my point.

And then you say, "Well, maybe Coppola didn't _intend_ to have a message," which is exactly the point of why I have issues with this movie.

You're going to either have to say that people like Allen did find a message and explain to me what the message is, or you're going to have to concede that Coppola didn't have a message and that this was just a movie of pretty shots.

Just like the quote in my entry says, it seems that Coppola failed in trying to find what she was trying to say and didn't do anything beyond a surface scratch of the characters and tried to cover it up with some artsty fartsy cinematography.

But I'll wait for your response :)
Comment posted on February 12th, 2004 at 02:53 AM
nomo_crispdawg: You haven't addressed any of my criticisms; your argument is basically "Well because you didn't find a message, you cannot say that this movie sucks."

roy, i still have to form my well-thought-out, cohesive argument

Anonymous (guest)

Comment posted on February 11th, 2004 at 04:02 PM
dude, this is exactly the same problem with 25th hour but u like that movie for some reason. there is a it of a message but the movie moves way too slowly to make up for it.

--chris baek
Comment posted on February 11th, 2004 at 10:11 PM
25th Hour did definitely suffer from a lack of a focused message, but I liked the progression of that movie a lot more. Overall, the message you get from that movie is clear: "your friends and family are there for you all the time."

I found no such message in this movie.
Comment posted on February 11th, 2004 at 08:45 AM
*aren't filled with a story*
my b
Comment posted on February 11th, 2004 at 08:44 AM
roy, there are plenty of movies with no plot that are very popular. Take Mulholland Drive, Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas, or A Clockwork Orange.

just because they aren't filled a story for you to easily follow does not mean they are a bad movie.

plus i disagree with you, the plot is simply Murray's and Johansson's journeys, and what they find along the way. You as a viewer should be wondering what will happen to them in the end. We find out, and that's that. Obviously not INCREDIBLY COMPLICATED, but it definitely has a tangible storyline dude.
Comment posted on February 11th, 2004 at 10:53 PM
So this would help me, pray tell, what exactly do they find along the way?

This si the basis of your argument that this movie has a plot and will go along way in dissauding me from continuing to trash this movie.
Comment posted on February 11th, 2004 at 09:27 AM
Clockwork Orange should not be on that list simply because it is a classic book.

Mulholland Drive *does* have a plot. Sure, it doesn't make much sense, but there is a sense of movement (although in which direction you're not sure).

Their journies are boring, which I've made abundantly clear. Their journey was pretty much "be bored, run into each other a lot, hang out, and then kiss."

This is not a novel idea, nor is it anything to be trumpeting as a "great movie."

I am frankly dissappointed that so many people hyped it up. Its a worthless movie still :P
Comment posted on February 11th, 2004 at 09:30 AM
maybe most people identified with the plot more than you did.

it happens with every movie.
Comment posted on February 11th, 2004 at 10:15 PM
And no one can provide any concrete examples.

True, people can relate to the movie. I'm not debating that it's not an unrealistic movie (although there are some pretty chance coincidences). But a movie is not just about "relating" to the topic matter. A movie that is highly acclaimed and coming from someone who you expect some sort of thought-provoking message should do something beyond simply letting people "relate" to a movie.

Most people go through the same life cycles (finding oneself, experiencing love, losing a loved one to death), the purpose of a movie is simply not to let people relate; it's to push people to self-critique their thoughts.
Comment posted on February 11th, 2004 at 09:31 AM
oh, and who cares if A Clockwork Orange is a classic book? It still has no sense of direction.
Comment posted on February 11th, 2004 at 10:16 PM
Possibly ;) I would still argue that Clockwork Orange is popular because of the book and not because of the movie (and perhaps some of the enigma of Kubrick has something to do witht he movie).

But we digress on this point. The debate at hand is why LiT sucks.
Comment posted on February 11th, 2004 at 12:02 AM
i'm pretty good at judging whether i, personally, will like a movie based on previews, professional movie critiques along with their reasoning for why they enjoyed or didn't enjoy a particular film, and how many holier-than-thou-anti-establishment-anti-pop-culture people liked it. which is why i will never, ever watch "lost in translation" unless i am paid, or unless i get something incredibly spiffy for watching. especially after reading your review. there is no way in hell.
Comment posted on February 11th, 2004 at 09:27 AM
Then I have done my job.