It's started. I'm going to refrain from any lengthy discussion of my feelings towards the war, as most of you are already aware of them.

All I will ask is that if you do want to be anti-war, do not post ludicrous arguments. I have spent the better half of the past few months debating endlessly against the peace protesters. Trying to get them to understand this is the only way.

Here is a list of the most common concerns of the war and my (short) rebuttals. If you want to discuss this in person, I'm more than willing to.

1.) Saddam is the target. Why go to war against the Iraqi people?
Iraq is not America. Dissenters within Iraq are shot and murdered. This war requires the removal of not only Saddam, but also the removal of the power structure that supported him. Assassinating Saddam, Qusay, and Uday (his two sons) would not accomplish anything if someone like Taqiz Aziz or a high-ranking general took power.

2.) What about the civilians who will die?
Civilians will die. But you know what? I could never summarize the feelings as well as an Iraqi refugee. He says:
"Yes, civilians will die. My cousins will die, maybe, Allah forbid. But here is a certainty you do not understand in your simplistic Nickelodean diplomacy is that you are guaranteed to have civilians die under Saddam."

3.) N. Korea, Pakistan, Iran ... all these countries are actively developing nuclear weapons (or already have them). Why don't we go after THEM?

Here is the one argument that will anger me more than anything. You cannot APPLY a "cookiecutter" situation to countries that are vastly different. I will focus primarily on N. Korea for my rebuttal.

N. Korea HAS nukes. Seoul sits 30 miles from the DMZ. If we attempted military action, there would be disastrous losses. You do not go after a country that is beyond your scope of handling. The war in Iraq can be done with relativey little bloodshed with little losses to American personnel. Furthermore, the very fact that many Iraqis inside will SUPPORT the American troops creates a far different environment than in N. Korea.

Essentially we cannot take military action in N. Korea because they HAVE nukes and attempting so would be disastrous. In this case, diplomacy is the most powerful tool. Furthermore, N. Korea is surrounded by three strong powers who have direct stakes in removing nuclear weapons. I can assure you Japan and S. Korea care more about removing nuclear weapons than the United States worries about it, and that they are all actively pursuing diplomacy.

4.) This war is not justified.

Under what reasoning do you do this? 12 years, 17 resolutions ... that is not enough time? Don't forget that Resolution 1441 was a final last-ditch effort for Saddam to PROVE he had come clean, not for the inspectors to FIND the weapons. Saddam did not do this. And with reports that Saddam has already fired missiles he was not supposed to have, there can be no doubt in anyone's mind that he was not complying with resolution 627 or 1441.

5.) The US should not act unilaterally.

Unilaterally? What does that mean, exactly? Do you mean without the support of France, Russia, China, and Germany? All who have been illegally violating UN sanctions and have been dealing with Iraq?

Or possibly you think that most Americans don't support this war. You'd be wrong. Or you think we're doing this alone? How come there are 30 countries in our coalition?



It's easy to sit back and say "no, this war is bad." But you don't understand that this is for our security. Iraq is a threat to world peace, as been demonstrated through two wars (2 million deaths between the Iran-Iraq War/Gulf War), the innocent gassing of Iraqi civilians at the hands of Saddam (thousands of Kurds in Halabja were murdered by poison gas launched by Saddam's forces) ... and not to mention Saddam's inceased interest in obtaining nuclear weapons.

The fact of the matter is the diplomacy path long extinguished itself. Saddam was not complying. To even believe that it could of happened is wishful thinking.
Posted by roy on March 20, 2003 at 12:55 PM | 12 Comments

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Comment posted on March 21st, 2003 at 01:58 AM
I quote:

"N. Korea HAS nukes. Seoul sits 30 miles from the DMZ. If we attempted military action, there would be disastrous losses...The war in Iraq can be done with relativey little bloodshed with little losses to American personnel."

and

"Iraq is a threat to world peace,"

Thats just contradictory...i agree with you roy that Saddam needs to be taken out, i just hope the U.S. government dont leave its mark there and spread its western/American influence there...may Allah bless the souls of innocent people both Iraqi and American lives thats going to be lost in this war...
Comment posted on March 21st, 2003 at 05:33 AM
First off, how are those two contradictory? I don't see how they are at all.

And you just missed the whole point of my article with your second point. The fact that N. Korea does have nukes means that we cannot pursue as much of an aggressive policy in N. Korea as we did in Iraq. There are more serious drawbacks.

Look at it this way. During the opening hours of Gulf War II, Saddam launched missiles at our troops and Kuwait (I'm sure you're aware of this). A few of them were blown up, a few broke up, and a few hit and did explode (luckily no one died).

Now, imagine that same situation, except all the missiles are headed for Seoul. And instead of being explosive missiles. They are nukes.

Read again what I wrote.
Comment posted on March 21st, 2003 at 05:57 AM
And how can Iraq be a threat to world peace when they can be taken care of with relatively little bloodshed with little losses to American personnel???
Comment posted on March 21st, 2003 at 01:57 PM
Understand the concept of:
Iraq still has the largest military in the Middle East. Iraq has weapons of mass destruction.

However, these are still no match for US forces. Our military power is so much above their level that we can win this war with heavy psyops as well as our technological advantage.

Let me put it this way. Can the police take out any criminal easily? Yes. Does that mean a criminal carrying a gun is not a threat? Against ordinary people with no defense, the criminal is unstoppable. But he is in no position to take on the police.

Do you understand?
Comment posted on March 21st, 2003 at 09:45 PM
Understood. Fair enough.
Comment posted on March 21st, 2003 at 05:55 AM
I didnt missed your point, its just that in that case, why concentrate on Iraq when US can concentrate its resources and such on N.Korea, if im not mistaken diplomacy talks is going on now. The same cant be said for Iraq though even though how i wish the diplomay talks could have been longer and more fruitful instead of just all out attack...Clearly Iraq doesn poses imminent danger to US so why bother? The Iraqis havent complained all these 12 years, the US have been good in deploying diplomacies talks all these 12 years so why just give up like that? So lets say 10 years from now after uncountable diplomacy talks with N.Korea and they still dont want to destroy their WMDs, does that mean US will strike them too? Or N.Korea will be as powerful as the US and the US will the decide to shake hands and be allies? arghhh i hate politics...
Comment posted on March 21st, 2003 at 01:59 PM
Why did we "suddenly" give up diplomacy? What are you basing this "sudden" "giving up" of diplomacy on?

We gave Saddam final ultimatens via 1441. he didn't meet them. We went to war.

We didn't "give up" on diplomacy. Saddam just decided not to comply with the one resolution that was backed with force. His mistake.
Comment posted on March 21st, 2003 at 09:47 PM
Whatever it is, i hope Saddam will be put out soon and i also hope America won't implement its foreign policy there. Nuff said. Peace, Im outta here.
Comment posted on March 21st, 2003 at 02:05 AM
Also i forgot to mention, in all fairness, if N.Korea poses the bigger threat given the Nukes they have etc, is'nt it just right and logical to cripple their government also? I mean everyone would then be willing to fight to stop countries from building WMDs...and war would then be logical, if it was for world peace, then i would also fight in the war against WMDs and countries using them...
Comment posted on March 20th, 2003 at 07:59 PM
nice post. finally someone talking sense.

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